Dear Rick:

We have been having some problems connecting to ATT lately.

Which is really odd since OUTLOOK will NOT connect and Microsoft MAIL 7 will.

We would like to know if there has been any updates to the 'EMAIL CLIENT' (that you company provided) that might help better help get around the Security issues that Email Provides (like ATT or GMAIL) have introduced.

Or suggestions ...

It would be great if there were a way of NOT having to setup a GMAIL account and NOT have to declare it a 'LESS SECURE DEVICE'.

EKM/RIS

It would be great if there were a way of NOT having to setup a GMAIL account and NOT have to declare it a 'LESS SECURE DEVICE'.

Can't be done.

The only way this works is through direct APIs that are not directly accessible by third parties.

These companies are working hard to lock people in and use their software and tools and only allow 'secure' access from trusted partner software (like iOS Android's account manager, Outlook, etc.) or their own internal tooling.

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Just checking

Thanks

Just as a follow up.

Just checking around the Google Gmail site, and they do have a public API that can be used, but you have to sign up for it, get an API key and presumably also pay for the API usage.

https://developers.google.com/gmail/api/auth/about-auth

The problem with this crap is that it's proprietary and requires registration. It's simply not a generic solution and if you ship email support as part of an application where users configure their own mail usage - forget it.

Each one of the big providers has their own specific API rather than using a universal standard like SMTP or IMAP.

Just one more stop along the way of killing off the little guy...

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BTW - I'm having the same sort of issues using Icewarp Mail Server, where messages get delayed and delivered to SPAM 99.9% of the time when communicating to Gmail. And the Icewarp server is not listed on any Black Lists and serves about 100 accounts all of whom have had similar results. Not sure about ATT since it is not as popular. This SUCKS!

That's a different issue. The problem there is that these days almost everything that doesn't come from some vetted service is considered SPAM on most black list servers. If you start tomorrow with a perfectly clean IP address for SMTP you'll be instantly blocked too - no history is assumed bad. If you have history there's likely to be one or two complaints so you're on a blacklist there too likely.

This game is hella rigged to the big guys. If you want your mail to get to its destination you almost certainly need to use some service like MailGun, MailChimp etc. It doesn't even stop there, you get screwed there too - the cheap seats get you shared IP that might have been shit on by some other host for a porn site for all you know. Then you get to complain and switch among IP addresses until you get lucky and get a relatively clean one. And then when you finally think you have a decent set up, that IP probably gets swapped out from under you for the next bad one. I use MailGun and it took a while to arrive at a clean IP - works reasonably well now, but could change any time.

The alternative with these services is they have 'premium' services where you get a dedicated IP Address and they provide some servicing to help you keep it that way. These things are reliable but usually very pricey.

re: Email Rejections

In my experience the problem the biggest problem with rejected email isn't Google or Outlook though - it's internal Enterprise servers that are using these blacklist servers that are anciently out of date to block incoming traffic.

Email has gotten to the point that its only usable if you have a decent filter running. 90+% of my incoming mail is filtered out by GMail. It does a good job figuring out what's valid and what's junk. But still - the spam amount is MASSIVE.

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